“Russian oil was always heavier than ours, their natural gas was heavier than ours and Venezuela was notorious for heavy oil,” Forbes told Faulkner Focushost Harris Faulkner. “We once had the refining capacity to handle that but now that’s being reduced. So, they’re going for dirty stuff. Saudi oil is not as clean as ours.”

“So, short-term to try to win a few votes in the November elections, they’re quite willing to undermine the economy, quite willing to undermine the environment because they think the future, again, is with windmills and the solar panels,” Forbes said. “And it isn’t, it’s much more expensive.”